Discussion:
Opinions on Equinox and Legend speakers
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El Bastardo
2004-10-07 10:18:40 UTC
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G'day,

I'm seeking opinions on the Equinox Audio range, and the Legend
Loudspeakers Kangaroo range. Usage would be 80% stereo, 20% HT.

In the Equinox range, I'm interested in the Perigee fronts + Solstice
rears + Zenith centre.

In the Kangaroo range, I'm interested in the Kantu 4 (or Kama 4) fronts
+ Kanga 2 rears + Kurka centre.

Any reviews, positive or negative opinions, or recommendations for
different models appreciated.

-- Geoff
TT
2004-10-07 13:48:47 UTC
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Post by El Bastardo
G'day,
I'm seeking opinions on the Equinox Audio range, and the Legend
Loudspeakers Kangaroo range. Usage would be 80% stereo, 20% HT.
In the Equinox range, I'm interested in the Perigee fronts + Solstice
rears + Zenith centre.
In the Kangaroo range, I'm interested in the Kantu 4 (or Kama 4) fronts
+ Kanga 2 rears + Kurka centre.
Any reviews, positive or negative opinions, or recommendations for
different models appreciated.
-- Geoff
I can't comment on the Legends but I have demoed the Equinox Aphelions (at
home) and found them to be a very nice little speaker and actually ended up
buying the Apogees. I found Rick to be really great to deal with and can't
recommend him highly enough. I would suggest talking to him and organising
a home demo to see how you like the speakers with your own gear in your
home.

Regards TT
El Bastardo
2004-10-07 20:50:11 UTC
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G'day,
Post by TT
I can't comment on the Legends but I have demoed the Equinox Aphelions (at
home) and found them to be a very nice little speaker and actually ended up
buying the Apogees.
Thanks for the info. Dunno if I have the space for Apogee's, however.

How did you find the Apogee? How was its detail, imaging, soundstage,
dynamics, etc? Can you compare its performance to other speakers?
Post by TT
I found Rick to be really great to deal with and can't
recommend him highly enough. I would suggest talking to him and organising
a home demo to see how you like the speakers with your own gear in your
home.
Already done that, and I'll be auditioning the Solstice at home this
coming week. But I'd still like to hear other opinions, if possible.

-- Geoff
TT
2004-10-07 23:11:29 UTC
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Post by El Bastardo
G'day,
Post by TT
I can't comment on the Legends but I have demoed the Equinox Aphelions (at
home) and found them to be a very nice little speaker and actually ended up
buying the Apogees.
Thanks for the info. Dunno if I have the space for Apogee's, however.
Funny that's what I said about the Jupiters ;-) And I was right - they
would not have fitted my room.
Post by El Bastardo
How did you find the Apogee?
Well I did buy them. I actually actually had to harrass Rick to take my
money as he wouldn't do it unless I was completely satisfied. Initially I
was little disappointed (BTW Rick and I do still disagree on this point) as
these speakers needed about 20hrs to "run in". I had all my favourite stuff
lined up and I really didn't like the way some of it sounded especially very
detailed DVD-A discs. But then after moving these things all over the room
(also to accomodate WAF) and demoing them to several people they eneded up
where they started and run and sounding very nice.
Post by El Bastardo
How was its detail,
Not as good as an ESL or a ribbon but then you would have to be very, very
fussy to pick it without a direct comparison. Very close indeed.
Post by El Bastardo
imaging, soundstage,
Very good. People do not believe me when I say my centre speaker is not on
they actually (and so do I some times) get up and check to make sure it is
off. e.g I never realised oldfields Tubular bells SACD was only 4 channel
until I actually got up and stuck my ear to the cenre speaker to see if it
was on.
Post by El Bastardo
dynamics, etc?
Awesome, well defined bass :-)) If you are into rock drum solos then these
will blow you away. I quite frankly do not see how the Jupiters could be
better. If Rick is reading this I am still waiting to hear a set ;-) What
I do really like about these is that the "boxes" are really very inert. You
don't "hear" the box you hear the music as recorded but it is not "dead"
sounding like you get with ESLs it has real depth and feel. Acoustic
guitars and pianos are fantastic and impart the energy of a live
performance. If you haven't guessed already I am very happy with mine and in
the sub A$15,000 bracket I have not heard anything that I would swap for
them for.
Post by El Bastardo
Can you compare its performance to other speakers?
Yes at the same time I had on loan some
http://martinlogan.com/clarity_speaker.html (at the same price point) and my
then current AR7 (RIP AR) http://www.sonic.net/soundscape/ar1.html which
are now my rears.

I demoed these at a friends place recently and found them to very nice
http://glacieraudio.com/new%20Glacier%20Audio%20Site/Products%20folder/Gilmore/Gilmoreaudio3.htm
Post by El Bastardo
Post by TT
I found Rick to be really great to deal with and can't
recommend him highly enough. I would suggest talking to him and organising
a home demo to see how you like the speakers with your own gear in your
home.
Already done that, and I'll be auditioning the Solstice at home this
coming week. But I'd still like to hear other opinions, if possible.
-- Geoff
I spent a long time looking at speakers and did 2 interstate trips demoing
gear and it wasn't until I could hear gear in my own home that I could
really make a decision. Anything else you want to know just ask ;-)

Regards TT
Tat Chan
2004-10-07 23:16:43 UTC
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Post by TT
Post by El Bastardo
How did you find the Apogee?
Well I did buy them. I actually actually had to harrass Rick to take my
money as he wouldn't do it unless I was completely satisfied. Initially I
was little disappointed (BTW Rick and I do still disagree on this point) as
these speakers needed about 20hrs to "run in".
Isn't that your ears "running in"?

;)
TT
2004-10-08 08:02:15 UTC
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: TT wrote:
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: >>How did you find the Apogee?
: >
: >
: > Well I did buy them. I actually actually had to harrass
Rick to take my
: > money as he wouldn't do it unless I was completely
satisfied. Initially I
: > was little disappointed (BTW Rick and I do still
disagree on this point) as
: > these speakers needed about 20hrs to "run in".
:
: Isn't that your ears "running in"?
:
: ;)
:

In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. Rick told me he believed (and tested) that
they don't. I am only the "mug consumer" so I really can't
argue with the experts so I am giving my subjective opinion.

Regards TT
Philip Vafiadis
2004-10-08 08:24:37 UTC
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Post by TT
SNIP<
In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. >SNIP< > Regards TT
I think the following 'snip' from a couple of years ago is what you are
referring to....

Just a note, almost all of the drivers that VAF use are proprietary,
but the one below we modify 'in house', and in it's basic form as
tested, it is freely available and of undeniably high quality....
anyone interested should easily be able to verify the data below.

Best regards
Philip Vafiadis
Founder, VAF Research Pty Ltd
www.vaf.com.au

Results of detailed running in.

Driver: Excel W21EX001
Manufacturer: SEAS Fabrikker AS Norway
Serial #: 2/00-50 and 2/00-48
Manufactured: February 2000

Overview.
Tests were conducted to qualify the existence of, and/or quantify the
magnitude of, changes in electroacoustic parameters of a loudspeaker
driver over time. The aim of the test described herein was to measure
the parameters of a new driver, by impedance measurement and
analysis, and compare them with the same parameters measured after
specified periods of 'running in' with a suitable test signal. The
results were then examined for evidence of time related changes.

No attempt was made in this test to examine the parametric behaviour
over long time scales. This will be done in another series of tests
to accurately establish the existence or otherwise of such long term
changes.

No attempt was made to examine the relative effects of different
'running in' waveforms.

Test Conditions.
Tests were conducted in VAF Research anechoic chamber, solely for the
purpose of noise isolation. No acoustic measurements were taken. The
Drivers were suspended asymmetrically in free air at least 600mm from
the nearest (heavily absorptive) surface.
Temperature was controlled at 21degrees C +/- 2degrees as dictated by
the thermostat hysteresis of the air-conditioning system.

Test signals.
The 'running in' signal was generated using proprietary VAF signal
generating software. The signal comprised a swept sine wave from
10Hz-100Hz with a sweep time of 1 second. This was applied to the
drivers at a level of 4 Volts p-p (2 Volts peak, 1.414 Volts RMS,
approx 0.25 Watts). This level was selected arbitrarily because it
results in significant excursion of the driver cone (approx +/- 2mm)
at the lowest frequencies but does not approach the maximum linear
excursion of the driver (specified by SEAS as +/- 6mm).

The impedance measurement waveform was generated by a proprietary MLS
Measurement System and constituted a low frequency MLS signal sampled
at 1.9kHz. This was applied at a level of 4 Volts p-p. Impedance
measurement bandwidth was 10Hz - 200Hz. No smoothing or windowing was
applied.

The resonant frequency Fs was taken to be the frequency at which the
impedance phase angle passed through 0 degrees.

This method has been verified to our satisfaction in comparison with
manual swept sine wave tests and commercial MLS impedance
measurements. It has the advantage of exposing the driver to very low
average power and hence minimises thermal effects.

Method.
The impedance of the driver was tested by application and analysis of
the MLS impulse. The driver was then subjected to the running in
signal for a fixed period as shown in the results below. The
parameters were again measured immediately to allow for
quantification of driver thermal effects. The driver was then allowed
to cool by natural convection for ten minutes. The parameters were
then measured again and the cycle repeated.

Additionally, a control driver was measured once at the commencement
of the test and again at its completion. No 'running in' was applied
to this control driver. results are included below for comparison.

Results.

Sample 2/00-50

Conditions Total RunIn Fs Qts
---------------------------------------------
Initial Test 0 min 35.47 0.49
Run in for 1 minute
Cool down 10 minutes 1 min 34.7 0.42
Run in for 1 minute
Cool down 10 minutes 2 min 34.64 0.43
Run in for 1 minute
Cool down 10 minutes 3 min 34.63 0.44
Run in for 1 minute 4 min 34.34 0.43
Cool down 10 minutes 4 min 34.54 0.44
Run in for 1 minute 5 min 34.41 0.41
Cool down 10 minutes 5 min 34.65 0.43
Run in for 5 minute 10 min 34.33 0.43
Cool down 30 minutes 10 min 34.68 0.43
Run in for 10 minute 20 min 33.35 0.42
Cool down 30 minutes 20 min 33.65 0.43
Run in for 20 minute 30 min 32.14 0.42
Cool down 30 minutes 30 min 32.80 0.42
Run in for 30 minute 60 min 32.03 0.41
Cool down 60 minutes 60 min 32.06 0.42
Run in for 60 minute 120 min 31.23 0.41
Cool down 60 minutes 120 min 31.62 0.41

SEAS Specification FS: 31Hz Qts: 0.41

Sample 2/00-50 Initial Fs: 35.38 Qts: 0.48
Final Fs: 35.37 Qts: 0.48

Conclusion.
It has been demonstrated that the Fs and Qts of a high quality bass
driver change from their initial values with use. The rate of change
appears to decrease as the final value (in this case very close to
the values specified by the manufacturer) is approached. This would
support the theory that this driver will settle down to parameters
somewhat different from those tested when the driver was new. The
difference in Fs in particular is approximately 11%.
TT
2004-10-08 09:54:51 UTC
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Post by Philip Vafiadis
Post by TT
SNIP<
In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. >SNIP< > Regards TT
I think the following 'snip' from a couple of years ago is what you are
referring to....
Just a note, almost all of the drivers that VAF use are proprietary,
but the one below we modify 'in house', and in it's basic form as
tested, it is freely available and of undeniably high quality....
anyone interested should easily be able to verify the data below.
Best regards
Philip Vafiadis
Founder, VAF Research Pty Ltd
www.vaf.com.au
<Snip the extensive data>
Post by Philip Vafiadis
Conclusion.
It has been demonstrated that the Fs and Qts of a high quality bass
driver change from their initial values with use. The rate of change
appears to decrease as the final value (in this case very close to
the values specified by the manufacturer) is approached. This would
support the theory that this driver will settle down to parameters
somewhat different from those tested when the driver was new. The
difference in Fs in particular is approximately 11%.
Yep that was what I remember (well the conclusion anyway) of the information
you supplied a while ago.

It is always "nice" to have someone scientifically verify what "appears" to
happen in the real world. I do believe I was previously convinced that
drivers "did not" run in and it was a case of becoming accustomed to a new
sound.

Regards Terry
Phil Allison
2004-10-08 10:03:41 UTC
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"TT"
"Philip Vafiadis"
Post by Philip Vafiadis
Conclusion.
It has been demonstrated that the Fs and Qts of a high quality bass
driver change from their initial values with use. The rate of change
appears to decrease as the final value (in this case very close to
the values specified by the manufacturer) is approached. This would
support the theory that this driver will settle down to parameters
somewhat different from those tested when the driver was new. The
difference in Fs in particular is approximately 11%.
Yep that was what I remember (well the conclusion anyway) of the information
you supplied a while ago.
** TT remembered ? Maybe.

TT comprehended ? Not in the slightest.
It is always "nice" to have someone scientifically verify what "appears" to
happen in the real world.
** Those figures show the *usual* softening of the suspension stiffness
ONLY.
I do believe I was previously convinced that
drivers "did not" run in and it was a case of becoming accustomed to a new
sound.
** There is ZERO audible change in the bass performance ( in a box) and *no
change* in the mids performance or highs performance of such a driver
brought about by "running in".

Anyone with " WinISD " can prove for that for themselves.





.......... Phil
Trevor Wilson
2004-10-08 09:01:24 UTC
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Post by TT
: >
: >>How did you find the Apogee?
: >
: >
: > Well I did buy them. I actually actually had to harrass
Rick to take my
: > money as he wouldn't do it unless I was completely
satisfied. Initially I
: > was little disappointed (BTW Rick and I do still
disagree on this point) as
: > these speakers needed about 20hrs to "run in".
: Isn't that your ears "running in"?
: ;)
In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. Rick told me he believed (and tested) that
they don't. I am only the "mug consumer" so I really can't
argue with the experts so I am giving my subjective opinion.
**I've measured a large number of drivers (several hundred). Most change
their fundamental characteristics, by as much as 20%, after several hours
use. Some seem to present bugger all changes. Changes seem to have little to
do with price and/or quality.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Rick Stadelmaier
2004-10-08 10:59:55 UTC
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Post by TT
In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. Rick told me he believed (and tested) that
they don't. I am only the "mug consumer" so I really can't
argue with the experts so I am giving my subjective opinion.
Regards TT
Hi TT,

Actually, I would have said that the 'speaker system' itself doesn't change it's
sound characteristics.
Many (though not all) drivers do loosen up after a small amount of use, however,
this doesn't change the completed systems characteristics as the system is
designed with the 'run in' parameters.

Even if it wasn't designed in this way, the two parameters which change (fs,
Qts) are not of any significant consequence when in placed in a box, as the
difference might be as much (little?) as 1dB at low frequencies, and considering
our limited ability to discern small difference at that level, it is of no concern.

In any case, every speaker system which leaves Equinox has at least 10 hours of
running, consisting of measurements and music.

I can't explain what you heard, though I can assure you, I haven't measured a
change in our speaker systems.

Another thing to consider is that some drivers loosen up from there 'at rest'
state every time they are used, combined with motor assemblies warming up, you
may or may not hear a small difference as a speaker 'warms up', but I doubt it.

Rick.
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
***@SPAMTRAPequinoxaudio.com.au
(remove SPAMTRAP to reply via email)
Sydney, Australia
TT
2004-10-08 12:17:21 UTC
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Post by Rick Stadelmaier
Post by TT
In an in-depth discussion I had with Philip Vafiadas a while
ago he actually produced graphs that showed me that speaker
cones do run in. Rick told me he believed (and tested) that
they don't. I am only the "mug consumer" so I really can't
argue with the experts so I am giving my subjective opinion.
Regards TT
Hi TT,
Actually, I would have said that the 'speaker system' itself doesn't change it's
sound characteristics.
Many (though not all) drivers do loosen up after a small amount of use, however,
this doesn't change the completed systems characteristics as the system is
designed with the 'run in' parameters.
Even if it wasn't designed in this way, the two parameters which change (fs,
Qts) are not of any significant consequence when in placed in a box, as the
difference might be as much (little?) as 1dB at low frequencies, and considering
our limited ability to discern small difference at that level, it is of no concern.
In any case, every speaker system which leaves Equinox has at least 10 hours of
running, consisting of measurements and music.
I can't explain what you heard, though I can assure you, I haven't measured a
change in our speaker systems.
Another thing to consider is that some drivers loosen up from there 'at rest'
state every time they are used, combined with motor assemblies warming up, you
may or may not hear a small difference as a speaker 'warms up', but I doubt it.
Rick.
Hi Rick,

I certainly don't want to start an argument here and hopefully I have
related information that has been presented to me as accurately and fairly
as possible. I do not have the ability or equipment to conduct any of these
measurements (as you know) and I therefore gave a subjective appraisal. I
did recall that PV did do measurements on this and he has kindly reposted
that information. How much direct relevance it has on final sound quality
the "experts" will have to say.

It still does not change the fact that I am completely happy now. Maybe
after a lot of shifting around (as I have already said happened) and setting
positions with a tape measure and using CARA they are now located in the
ideal spot (shrug). This may be the answer if the speaker measurements did
not change (perceptibly). I certainly do not "feel" that they magically got
better just because I had gotten used to listening to them.

So the bottom line is basically that when you tested my speakers they were
within your specs - perfect. Perhaps they are more perfect now being a bit
"looser" ;-) It would be an interesting exercise (if you haven't already
done it on others) to re-measure some speakers after considerable use.

Cheers Terry

BTW I have tri-wired them now - it made *NO* difference to how they sound
but gee wizz my mates are more impressed with how they look ;-)
Eric
2004-10-09 00:46:05 UTC
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Post by TT
BTW I have tri-wired them now - it made *NO* difference to how they sound
but gee wizz my mates are more impressed with how they look ;-)
That is interesting, I was using two mono power amps to drive my
bi-wired speakers.

When I decided to bi-amp as well as bi-wire I noticed the soundstage
had improved.

I did not expect any difference at all and was pleasantly surprised.

Are you using 3 amps when tri-wiring?

Just curious.
TT
2004-10-09 03:07:02 UTC
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Post by Eric
Post by TT
BTW I have tri-wired them now - it made *NO* difference to how they sound
but gee wizz my mates are more impressed with how they look ;-)
That is interesting, I was using two mono power amps to drive my
bi-wired speakers.
When I decided to bi-amp as well as bi-wire I noticed the soundstage
had improved.
I did not expect any difference at all and was pleasantly surprised.
Are you using 3 amps when tri-wiring?
Just curious.
No, just the wire. I use this design http://tinyurl.com/6hhog and twist
instead of plait. I like is 'cos it's free and does look very impressive
which after all is very, very important ;-) BTW Arny K hates this guy "The
biggest con artist on the Continent" I believe he calls him ;-)

Seriously now it is excellent quality copper and has a self shielding effect
and you never really know until you try some of these things yourself to
actually see what all the fuss is about. Now having said that I know that
no perceptual improvement will be had from what I've done. IMHO yes with
bi/tri amping an improvement can be had under some circumstances with larger
speakers.

Regards TT (flame suit on)
Eric
2004-10-10 19:57:28 UTC
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Post by TT
Post by Eric
Post by TT
BTW I have tri-wired them now - it made *NO* difference to how they
sound
Post by Eric
Post by TT
but gee wizz my mates are more impressed with how they look ;-)
That is interesting, I was using two mono power amps to drive my
bi-wired speakers.
When I decided to bi-amp as well as bi-wire I noticed the soundstage
had improved.
I did not expect any difference at all and was pleasantly surprised.
Are you using 3 amps when tri-wiring?
Just curious.
No, just the wire. I use this design http://tinyurl.com/6hhog and twist
instead of plait. I like is 'cos it's free and does look very impressive
which after all is very, very important ;-) BTW Arny K hates this guy "The
biggest con artist on the Continent" I believe he calls him ;-)
Seriously now it is excellent quality copper and has a self shielding effect
and you never really know until you try some of these things yourself to
actually see what all the fuss is about. Now having said that I know that
no perceptual improvement will be had from what I've done. IMHO yes with
bi/tri amping an improvement can be had under some circumstances with larger
speakers.
Regards TT (flame suit on)
I use cable talk speaker wire and some of their interconnects too. The
only problem with the speaker wire is the dark purple lettering on a
light purple background.
Phil Allison
2004-10-08 12:59:19 UTC
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"Rick Stadelmaier"
Post by Rick Stadelmaier
Many (though not all) drivers do loosen up after a small amount of use,
however, this doesn't change the completed systems characteristics as the
system is designed with the 'run in' parameters.
Even if it wasn't designed in this way, the two parameters which change
(fs, Qts) are not of any significant consequence when in placed in a box,
as the difference might be as much (little?) as 1dB at low frequencies,
and considering our limited ability to discern small difference at that
level, it is of no concern.
Another thing to consider is that some drivers loosen up from there 'at
rest' state every time they are used, combined with motor assemblies
warming up, you may or may not hear a small difference as a speaker 'warms
up', but I doubt it.
** Spot on.




.......... Phil
Oat
2004-10-08 04:27:04 UTC
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Post by El Bastardo
Already done that, and I'll be auditioning the Solstice at home this
coming week. But I'd still like to hear other opinions, if possible.
I have heard both the Solstice and Kama 3. Both are great sounding
speakers that have excellent freq range, speed and offers exceptional
value. Very similar sounding speakers, they both used the same aerogel
cones. They don't have a mid-bass weight so might sound thin for HT
but if you preference is for a flat response then they'd be amazing
sounding!
David Morton
2004-10-08 07:28:58 UTC
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Post by El Bastardo
G'day,
I'm seeking opinions on the Equinox Audio range, and the Legend
Loudspeakers Kangaroo range. Usage would be 80% stereo, 20% HT.
In the Equinox range, I'm interested in the Perigee fronts + Solstice
rears + Zenith centre.
In the Kangaroo range, I'm interested in the Kantu 4 (or Kama 4) fronts
+ Kanga 2 rears + Kurka centre.
Any reviews, positive or negative opinions, or recommendations for
different models appreciated.
-- Geoff
I currently have a set of the Equinox Jupiters sitting in my lounge room
on demo. After discussion with Rick I have decided to purchase the next
model down, which is the Apogee. They share the same midrange and
tweeter configuration as the Jupiter, but have smaller bass drivers and
a smaller cabinet size. Rick's opinion is that the Apogees will sound
better in my lounge than the Jupiters.

I think it says something about Rick that he persuaded me to spend less
to ensure that I was making the best choice.

I have auditioned the Kantus, although I belive that the Kantu 4 is a
recent release and so I have not heard them.

Interestingly I felt that I could detect a 'family resemblance' between
the Kantus and some bookshelf Linn loudspeakers that a friend of mine
uses (Kans, I think). As I understand it, Rod Crawford from Legend used
to work for Linn and was involved in the design and development of a
number of Linn loudspeakers. I am not suggesting that he 'pinched' ideas
from the Linn speakers, but rather his ear and preferences for the style
of sound produced by loudspeakers has informed the development of both
these brands.

It was some time ago that I listened to them, but as I recall the Kantu
loudpeakers were too forward in their presentation for my taste. They
certainly had a polished sound, but were just a bit 'in my face' to
allow me to sit back and relax and enjoy for long listening periods. I
have also felt the same thing when listening to the Linn speakers owned
by my friend. She is very happy with them, so I guess it comes down to
personal tatse.

The Equinox Jupiter loudspeakers cost significantly more, but are very
classy loudspeakers. To my mind the most impressive aspect of their
performance is how they reproduce the human voice -- very natural and
with pinpoint horizontal positioning which allows you to close your eyes
and pretend someone is singing just in front of you. Of course they also
have prodigious bass performance. In fact, almost too much for my room
(I have had to block the rear firing ports), which is why Rick has
recommended the model down. To my ear, the main weakness with the
Jupiters is a relative lack of depth in the soundstage (forward and
back) compared to some other speakers I have listened to. Despite this,
they are excellent loudspeakers and I find them very pleasing to listen
to over extended listening periods.

I have not heard the Perigee, but I have listened to the next model down
from them, the Aphelion. They exhibited the same characteristics with
reproducing the human voice, but not with the same ease or aplomb as the
Jupiters.

Another loudspeaker that I listened to when auditioning the Kantu (at
Carlton Audio Visual in Melbourne) was the PMC FB1
<http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/fb1.html>.

I was very impressed with these speakers and came pretty close to buying
them. Definitely worth a listen if you are in Melbourne and plan to
audition the Kantus at CAV.
Rod Crawford
2004-10-11 19:31:23 UTC
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Hi David

Thanks for your kind comments on Legend speakers. Apologies for the delay
in this reply but I have just arrived back from being overseas for the last
3 weeks, including visiting the HiFi News Show in London.

A couple of things may be worth reinforcing. It is a bit difficult to
'pinch' your own ideas. The only useful 'concrete' thing I learnt from Linn
while I was their chief speaker designer in the late 1980s was the
importance of mechanical integrity (i.e. solid build quality etc). The
rest, including the importance of balancing measurement with listening, I
largely taught myself (and them). However, as you correctly point out, I
was inevitably influenced by their idea of sound quality, including 'speed'
or ''foot tapping' ability, if for no other reason that the designs had to
get past a listening panel that included Ivor and his senior sales guys.
Before I joined Linn I favoured the 'BBC sound' and indeed the first
versions of the Nexus sounded a bit like the Spendor BC1s! Eventually the
Nexus (and subsequent speakers) tried to balance the BBCs flatness of
response with Linn's foot-tapping - but like ALL speakers they were a
compromise and 'you pays your money and you makes your choice'.
Interestingly, despite the sales guys not liking it (and in some cases
actively denigrating it), the Nexus sold over 4000 pairs a year for a number
of years - their beloved Kan never exceeded 2000 pairs per year and the
Isobarik sold less than 500 pairs a year. Overall Linn's speaker sales
nearly trebled while I was there so I must have done something 'right'!

Legend speakers certainly tries to build on this experience - and I think
(not surprisingly) are a considerable improvement, not least because I am
now unconstrained by the Linn bureaucracy. Legend are in the process of
launching a new '4' series brought about largely (as others have already
noted on this newsgroup) the decision of Audax to stop 'domestic' supply of
their drivers, including the aerogels that we used in previous models for th
eir speed and openness. However, as you correctly pointed out, the aerogels
did give a slightly forward sound due to cone break-up above 1 kHz which was
difficult eliminate entirely without complex crossovers which reduce speed
(all loudspeakers are compromises). The new range uses drivers which have
less severe cone break-up and so a more BBC smoothness while still retaining
the Linn speed.

Finally I am also a fan of Equinox and PMC loudspeakers. Rick's designs
emphasise the importance mechanical integrity - and of course we used the
same aerogel drivers! And when visiting Carlton Audio Visual I often listen
to the PMCs as a reference point. This was reinforced at the HiFi News Show
where I thought the PMC DB1+ was one of the best performers - their designer
is an ex-BBC engineer!

Cheers
Rod
Post by David Morton
Post by El Bastardo
G'day,
I'm seeking opinions on the Equinox Audio range, and the Legend
Loudspeakers Kangaroo range. Usage would be 80% stereo, 20% HT.
In the Equinox range, I'm interested in the Perigee fronts + Solstice
rears + Zenith centre.
In the Kangaroo range, I'm interested in the Kantu 4 (or Kama 4) fronts
+ Kanga 2 rears + Kurka centre.
Any reviews, positive or negative opinions, or recommendations for
different models appreciated.
-- Geoff
I currently have a set of the Equinox Jupiters sitting in my lounge room
on demo. After discussion with Rick I have decided to purchase the next
model down, which is the Apogee. They share the same midrange and
tweeter configuration as the Jupiter, but have smaller bass drivers and
a smaller cabinet size. Rick's opinion is that the Apogees will sound
better in my lounge than the Jupiters.
I think it says something about Rick that he persuaded me to spend less
to ensure that I was making the best choice.
I have auditioned the Kantus, although I belive that the Kantu 4 is a
recent release and so I have not heard them.
Interestingly I felt that I could detect a 'family resemblance' between
the Kantus and some bookshelf Linn loudspeakers that a friend of mine
uses (Kans, I think). As I understand it, Rod Crawford from Legend used
to work for Linn and was involved in the design and development of a
number of Linn loudspeakers. I am not suggesting that he 'pinched' ideas
from the Linn speakers, but rather his ear and preferences for the style
of sound produced by loudspeakers has informed the development of both
these brands.
It was some time ago that I listened to them, but as I recall the Kantu
loudpeakers were too forward in their presentation for my taste. They
certainly had a polished sound, but were just a bit 'in my face' to
allow me to sit back and relax and enjoy for long listening periods. I
have also felt the same thing when listening to the Linn speakers owned
by my friend. She is very happy with them, so I guess it comes down to
personal tatse.
The Equinox Jupiter loudspeakers cost significantly more, but are very
classy loudspeakers. To my mind the most impressive aspect of their
performance is how they reproduce the human voice -- very natural and
with pinpoint horizontal positioning which allows you to close your eyes
and pretend someone is singing just in front of you. Of course they also
have prodigious bass performance. In fact, almost too much for my room
(I have had to block the rear firing ports), which is why Rick has
recommended the model down. To my ear, the main weakness with the
Jupiters is a relative lack of depth in the soundstage (forward and
back) compared to some other speakers I have listened to. Despite this,
they are excellent loudspeakers and I find them very pleasing to listen
to over extended listening periods.
I have not heard the Perigee, but I have listened to the next model down
from them, the Aphelion. They exhibited the same characteristics with
reproducing the human voice, but not with the same ease or aplomb as the
Jupiters.
Another loudspeaker that I listened to when auditioning the Kantu (at
Carlton Audio Visual in Melbourne) was the PMC FB1
<http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/fb1.html>.
I was very impressed with these speakers and came pretty close to buying
them. Definitely worth a listen if you are in Melbourne and plan to
audition the Kantus at CAV.
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